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  Quote diaperpin-jen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Mothering: Lactation and the Law
    Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 11:16am
 
 
This article was highlighted in the latest Mothering newsletter. I thought it would good to share it with you all:
 
By Jake Aryeh Marcus
Issue 143, July/August 2007

Most women who breastfeed their children will, at some time or other, find it necessary to nurse their children outside of their homes. For most women who nurse in public places, feeding their children will be no more stressful than nursing at home. Other people often do not notice when someone is breastfeeding near them, and those who do notice are generally indifferent or even supportive. All too often, however, we read stories of women who have been told to use a bathroom to nurse their children, asked to cover themselves and their child with a blanket, or told they must leave a place because they want or need to nurse......

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  Quote aajane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 2:47pm

After nursing three children (one currently), it gives me about 5 years of nursing at home and out and about.  I find it fascinating that people still get grief over nursing. I have NEVER had anyone make any inappropriate commentary or suggest I do my feeding in a more private space.  I've whipped it out, albeit discretely, everywhere, parks, the bus, a plane, restaurants, my boobs have seen it all.  I have to wonder, is it the location that the women choose to nurse putting them in situations where people are offended or are the mom's literally whipping it out with no care for the fact that even though you need to and have a right to feed your child, not everyone wants to see your breast.  It has always been my curiousity.  I can't say that I haven't gotten the "fish eye" when someone is talking to you or taking your order and thinks you have a sleeping baby in your arms, only to find out that peaceful cherub is suckling at your breast - it actually makes me laugh when it happens - it is the sick twisted sense of humor of mine.  Anyway, new to the forum and just thought I'd post my thoughts to this issue.

 
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  Quote wecova Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2007 at 12:36am
My husband is the one that CAN get offended. LOL. I think he's embarrassed to be with me if someone ELSE is offended, not that he doesn't want me to nurse or anything :)
But, this baby hates the blanket and it's really really hard to nurse in public without exposing myself somehow. I usually try to find a place that is blocking me on one side and the rear to be comfortable.

Even though people nurse around here, it's the huge blanket thingy and I feel inadequate and that frustrates me! 

I'll tell you the worse experience!  my HOMESCHOOL GROUP said I could go somewhere else at a meeting WITH A BLANKET to nurse (as if nursing wasn't a problem at all, but then told me to leave and blanket??). It's a Christian one, too!!

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  Quote pilotmom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2007 at 12:43am
I tend to act oblivious.  I was nursing DS at a church we were visiting, and the usher (a woman) politely mentioned to me about 3 times that there was a bridal room in the back, and about 3 times I smiled at her and said "Thanks" and just kept right on nursing.  And yes, I had a blanket over me.  Why leave the service, when I'm already sitting in the back row and the baby is quiet and there is nothing showing?  Good grief!
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  Quote aajane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2007 at 9:01am
I am floored, wow, I never use a blanket- not that I could if I wanted to - my children are too noisy to have the world blocked out by a blanket.  Wow-
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  Quote stacystar350 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2007 at 9:56pm
WOW, i would loose my mind if this happened to me:


In 2003, Jacqueline Mercado temporarily lost custody of her two young children after she was reported to Child Protective Services in Richardson, Texas, by an Eckerd drugstore clerk who had processed photographs taken of Mercado breastfeeding her son, then one year old. Mercado and the children's father, both natives of Peru, were arrested and charged with "sexual performance of a child," a felony for which they could have served 20 years in prison.11 It took six months for the local district attorney to drop the charges and for the couple to regain custody of their children.
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  Quote marblessed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2007 at 11:38pm
Yeah, I just found out yesterday that my Aunt feels so disturbed by women nursing (anytime- it's "not naturalWink) that if some starts bf at a restaurant she will actually leave!  Shocked  My mom thought that was extreme,  but she also expressed she thinks it's unnecessary to nurse in public, as you can "time" the feedings appropriately...  "If you feed before you leave the house, you don't have to nurse in public."  This coming from a woman who bottle feed all her children.  I had no idea she felt that way and I'm a little sad.  I may choose to go out with her less often if I have to feed baby on a schedule in order to not feel judged by her!  That's their baggage, and it's up to them to change *their* views.  
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  Quote treandkeysmommy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Nov 2007 at 7:19pm
I don't understand why people get offended by a mother nursing in public. It doesn't hurt anyone and I feel that it is much more healthy and natural to nurse your baby. I nursed my son until he was 13 months old and am nursing my 2 month old baby. I do cover up but I have still gotten some dirty looks on the bus or at the doctors office.
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  Quote bluehoneykitty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 2007 at 8:52pm
Thanks for the info.  I searched for the laws when DS was born and couldn't find anything at the time.  My boss said he would reimburse me for the time I pumped at work when I found more details of the BF laws.  I have not kept a record of the times I pumped ,but hopefully I can negotiate.
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  Quote Creatress Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Nov 2007 at 8:02pm
Oh my gosh, this whole thing is just ridiculous. 

I learned to be a breastfeeding mom out on the west coast, where I'd maybe get second glances, but was never questioned about it. 

Now, I'm here in the midwest and people sometimes try to suggest more "private" (a.k.a., out of the way, pain in the ass to get to, away from the speaker/film/sermon I'm trying to see) and I decline.  Sometimes politely, sometimes dismissively, depending on how I'm feeling about the situation.   DD won't tolerate a blanket anywhere near her face while she's nursing, which makes sense to me--who likes eating with a blindfold on?  So it doesn't work to just cover up and be discrete.  And if the non-breastfeeding public thinks I'm going to work my already tight schedule around her feedings to accommodate their comfort level, they're simply stupid.

And that poor Peruvian couple!  I can't believe crap like that happens here in the land of the free.
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  Quote treandkeysmommy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 2007 at 3:21am
i have to agree my ds would not let me cover him up and my dd only lets me once in a while. the way i see it is it natural and people should just let nursing mothers be.
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  Quote mommaduck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jan 2008 at 12:03pm
Had that happen at a church I visited once.  I sat in an alcove in the foyer to nurse.  The babe was in a sling and my back was to the hallway as I was looking out the window while listening to the sermon on the speaker.  3 times I had a gent come up and inform me of the nursery they had.  No, I'm fine, thank you.  I had been in the nursery earlier and it was packed with children and gabbing women...I wanted to hear the sermon.  They are fortunate I even left the sanctuary to nurse...I was in the back row and could have nursed right there...I just wanted the privacy due to being a visitor and all.
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  Quote lsjd2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2008 at 11:01am
I worked at a restaurant for a brief very brief period after I had my last child and the manager (head one) said I couldn't pump in the office my choice was my car or the restroom, one of the other employees actually asked him if He would eat in a restroom - he didn't know what to say, I quit a few weeks later for scheduling reasons. 
I also was refered to the nursing room at church - my dhStar looked at them and said we were fine.
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  Quote bluehoneykitty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 2008 at 4:08pm
So far my boss has been very accommodating.  I presented the legislation and he agreed with it.  I love my job!
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  Quote aurora615 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 3:02pm

To the woman in the midwest...yeah, a lot of people are very touchy here about breastfeeding.  I don't know of a single room for nursing mothers to go to nurse even if they wanted to.  You are advised as to where the restrooms are...as if I would want to eat there...eek!

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  Quote Tashinasmith2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 9:55pm
I nursed my DD for 14 months, and then nursed my DS for 11 wks Cry. When I was done with nursing we were visiting family for christmas and my SIL, who nursed briefly too, pointed out to everyone that "now we don't have to see my boobs anymore". I thought I had been offended in public with the constant suggestions where I could go but this one actually offended me more. It was family, and I never knew they were so judgemental. I usually never even nursed in front of them because my DD was too nosey and we had to go somewhere private for her to pay attention LOL.
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  Quote slmroczka Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2008 at 12:12am
I myself have had some issues with nursing with my own family (my DH's that is) they always insisted that I needed to pump (so they could feed them) but even when I went into another room to BF they would walk in on me (and make snide remarks) or tell me to hurry up because they want to hold the baby. It was also suggested that I only BF because I have an unhealthy relationship with my baby and should learn to share.
 
Well needless to say we don't visit them much anymore nor do I feel the need to. As far as BF in public I thing it is absolutely nessary for a woman to do it but with desencey. But for others to find it offensive I think is rediclous, the world these days have over sexulize te breast and they need to lay off. yeah BOOBS are sexy but the also have a function. Some people need to be reminded of that......
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, the world these days have over sexulize te breast and they need to lay off. yeah BOOBS are sexy but the also have a function. Some people need to be reminded of that......
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  Quote jessmomto2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2008 at 4:49pm

Although i tried very hard i couldn't breastfeed my kids.  But my older sister did, and she was far from discrete.  She'd just whip it out and plop the baby on, and she's not a small chested lady either!  It always surprised me how nobody seamed to notice when she did it, but when my mom was nursing my little sister everyone got offended?

A couple years ago there was a mom around here who got arrested for indescent exposure.  An old woman reported her to the police, get this, because she was nursing, covered with a blanket, in her car in the parking lot of the local wal mart!  The mom sued the local police department and won!  We have a law here that gives nursing mom's the right to nurse anyplace a person might eat-cars, restaurants, benches in grocery stores, etc.  The police should have known that!
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  Quote aurora615 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2008 at 7:38pm
I totally agree...I can't believe she got arested for that...grr.
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  Quote jessmomto2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2008 at 9:07pm
I was so P.O.'d when i heard about it.  NY even has a law that allows women to go topless!  They can ask you to cover yourself, but they can't make you.  I don't know how they thought they could arrest her!
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  Quote marblessed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2008 at 9:54am
a new incident:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25353789/

I am told there is a federal law protecting nursing mothers, allowing them to nurse anywhere, they normal have freedom to be, on federal property.

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  Quote Fluffy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 2008 at 3:03am
Reading this stuff just makes my blood boil.  What is wrong with people?  It's a boob, get over it!
 
I hardly ever cover up when NIP and on occasion will use a lightweight nursing cover, depending on who's around.  My immediate family (parents, sister, grandma) could care less - they were all bottle-feeders, but I broke them in with my first dd 13 years ago, lol, so they're used to it now.  I generally get the baby latched without revealing much of anything, and then my t-shirt drapes to cover the rest once baby is latched.  I actually don't mind NIP at all - I'm more inclined to cover or feel weird when I'm with friends/acquaintances who are weirded out by breastfeeding.  The general public can just bite me, iykwim.
 
I've never, ever been harassed for bf in a public place, though I once got a very dirty look from a sour-looking clerk at a DMV b/c I nursed my 2 y/o dd.  I usually don't NIP much beyond age 18 to 24 mos, but she was fussy and cranky and bf was the only way to quiet her down. 
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  Quote ryansmom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jul 2008 at 5:19pm

I can't say I care if anyone looks at me if I am NIP, but how weird to have someone come up and say " we have a nursery". That would probably bug me.  I've never noticed anyone BFing in public, but I hardly go to the mall, maybe I just have my head in the sand. Anyway, good job everyone for taking care of your babies!

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  Quote trulyprecious Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 2009 at 1:42am
I am late reading this but the info is great.  Some of my friends who are not yet parents are put off by nursing but I cover with a light blanket and have made a habit to just NOT pay attention to those around me.  DH is supportive and what I care most about is what is best for my LO.Approve
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  Quote Dec1st Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2009 at 2:02pm
I NIP.  My DD won't let me use a cover up.  When she was two months old I had one old lady come up to me and complain "You shouldn't be doing that here!   It's unhygienic!"  I was in a food court.  I was stunned for a moment then burst out laughing.  She left in a huff.

It was my only negative comment.  On the other hand, I've had five or six people come up to me to cheer me on.  Which in a weird way was more awkward because I want to concentrate of nursing, not talking to a stranger.

I'm aiming for the WHO gold standard of two years, but I will be interested to see if I get more negative comments as she gets older.
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